Sunday, September 30, 2007

Jesus is Jehovah!

This is the outline of a paper showing that the Lord Jesus Christ of the New Testament is the Jehovah (Heb. YHWH or Yahweh) incarnate (in flesh) of the Old Testament.

[Above (click to enlarge): "Jesus is Yahweh" wheel, on back of Cetnar, W.I. & J., "Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses," [1983], Bill & Joan Cetnar: Kunkletown PA, Reprinted, 2001]

When completed [It has since been completed-see below], I will give the paper to Jehovah's Witnesses who come to my door, and particularly one named Charlie who says he has been a JW for ~30 years, but seems receptive to my arguments that Jesus is Jehovah (see also PS).

This outline consists only of headings and hyperlinked Bible verses, as the text of each verse (which will be in the paper) would make this post too long. The Bible version is the American Standard Version (ASV), unless otherwise indicated, because it translated the Hebrew YHWH (Yahweh) as "Jehovah".

Christians may find this a useful resource in ministering to Jehovah's Witnesses. Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to work through each point and its Bible references, and decide for themselves if they agree with the Watchtower Society's teachings that Jesus is only Michael the Archangel:

"Is Jesus Christ the same person as Michael the archangel? The name of this Michael appears only five times in the Bible. ... Dan. 10:13[,21]; 12:1; Jude 9 ... Revelation 12:7 ... Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. ... So the evidence indicates that the Son of God was known as Michael before he came to earth and is known also by that name since his return to heaven where he resides as the glorified spirit Son of God." (Anonymous, "Reasoning from the Scriptures," [1985], Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York: Brooklyn NY, Second edition, 1989, p.218. Emphasis original. Verse in brackets added).

I have since completed my paper in the form of a one page, double-sided pamphlet (see PS below). I managed to squeeze over 200 verses from the NWT into it (with many more left out due to lack of space), which show that Jesus is Jehovah! I may one day expand that pamphlet into a book, with the same title: "Jesus is Jehovah! In the New World Translation."

I have also since created my third blog, "Jesus is Jehovah!," where I will be posting further evidence and arguments that Jesus of the New Testament is Jehovah (Yahweh) of the Old Testament come in human flesh.


I AM: Jn 8:24,28,58; 13:19; 18:5-6 [Gk. ego eimi, "I am" - no "he"]. Cf. Ex 3:14-15; Dt 32:39; Isa. 41:4; 43:10; 46:4; 52:6).
Shepherd: Jn 10:11,14. Cf. Ps 23:1; Isa 40:10-11; Eze 34:15; Heb 13:20; 1Pet 2:25; 5:4; Rev 7:17.
First and Last: Rev 1:17-18; 2:8; 22:13,16. Cf. Isa 41:4; 44:6; 48:12,17.

Jesus is Jehovah God: Jn 20:28. Cf. Mt 4:10 & Lk 4:8 = Dt 6:13.
Jesus is Jehovah seen: Jn 1:18. Cf. Gn 12:7; 17:1; 18:1; 26:24; Ex 34:5-7; Isa 6:1-3, etc.
Jesus is Lord: Rom 10:9; 1Cor 12:3; Php 2:10-11 NIV.
Jesus is the one and only Lord: 1Cor 8:6; Eph 4:5; Jude 4. Cf. Dt 6:4; Zec 14:9.

Almighty: Rev 1:7-8. Cf. Rev 17-18; 2:8; 21:6; 22:12-13,16,20; Gn 17:1; Ex 6:3.
God: Mt 1:23; Jn 1:1,14; 20:28; Acts 20:28; Rom 9:5; Php 2:5-6, Col 2:9; Tit 2:13; Heb 1:8; 2Pet 1:1; 1Jn 5:20. Cf. Dt 4:35,39; 1Sam 2:2; 2Sam 7:22; 1Ki 8:60; 1Chr 17:20; Isa 45:5,18,21; Joel 2:27.
Jesus (Heb. Jehovah is salvation): Mt 1:21. Cf. Jn 17:11-12; Acts 4:10-12; Php 2:10.
King of kings: Rev 17:14. Cf. 1Tim 6:15; Ps 10:16; 47:2; Zec 14:9.
Lord of all: Acts 10:36; Rom 10:12. Cf. Josh 3:13; Ps 97:5; Mic 4:13; Zec 4:14.
Lord of glory: 1Cor 2:8. Cf. Ps 24:10; Isa 42:8.
Lord of lords: Rev 17:14; 19:13,16. Cf. 1Tim 6:15; Dt 10:17; Ps 136:1,3.
Rock: 1Cor 10:4. Cf. 1Sam 2:2; 2Sam 22:32 = Ps 18:31; Isa 30:29; 44:6-8; Hab 1:12.
Saviour: Tit 2:13; 2Pet 1:1,11; 3:18; 1Jn 4:14 NIV. Cf. Isa 43:3,11; 45:21; Hos 13:4.

Jesus is Jehovah God: Eph 4:8 = Ps 68:18.
Jesus is Jehovah of hosts: Jn 12:39-41 = Isa 6:1-10; 1Pet 2:4,8 = Isa 8:13-14.
Jesus, the Lord is Jehovah: 1Cor 1:30-31 = Jer 9:24; 1Cor 10:9 = Num 21:6-9; 1Pet 2:3 = Ps 34:8.
Jesus, the Son [of God] is Jehovah: Heb 1:8,10-12 = Ps 102:12,25-27.

Jesus' first coming was Jehovah's: Mt 3:1-3; Mk 1:2-4; Lk 3:2-4 = Isa 40:3.
Jesus is Jehovah betrayed: Mt 26:15; 27:9 = Zec 11:13.
Jesus is Jehovah pierced: Jn 19:36-37 & Rev 1:7 = Zec 12:1,10.
Jesus' second coming will be Jehovah's: Acts 2:20 = Joel 2:31. Cf. 1Cor 5:5; 2Cor 1:14; 1Th 5:2; 2Th 2:2; 2Pet 3:10.
Jesus' name is Jehovah's: Acts 2:21; Rom 10:13 = Joel 2:32; Php 2:10-11 = Isa 45:23. Cf. Rom 14:11-12.
Jesus is Jehovah our righteousness: 1Cor 1:30; 2Cor 5:21 = Jer 23:5-6.
Every knee will bow to Jesus: Php 2:10-11 = Isa 45:23. Cf. Rom 14:11-12.

Eternal: Heb 1:8,10-12 = Ps 102:12,25-27.
Holy: Mk 1:24 = Lk 4:34; Jn 6:69; Ac 2:27; 13:35. Cf. Ps 89:18; Isa 48:17; Jer 51:5; Ez 39:7.
Omniscient: Rev 2:23 = Jer 17:10.

Creation: Heb 1:8,10 = Ps 102:12,25-27. Cf. Ps 33:6-9; 148:1-5; Isa 42:5; 44:24; 51:13; Jn 1:1-3,14; Col 1:12-16; Heb 1:1-2.
Judgment: Jn 5:22, 27; Ac 10:42; 17:31; Rom 2:16; 14:10; 2Cor 5:10; 2Tim 4:1,8. Cf. 1Sam 2:10; 1Ch 16:33; Ps 9:7,19; 96:10,13; 98:9; Isa 66:16; Jer 25:31.

Glory: Rom 16:27; Eph 3:21; 2Tim 4:18; Heb 13:21; 1Pet 4:11; 2Pet 3:18; Jude 25; Rev 1:6; 5:13. Cf. Isa 42:8; 48:11.
Name above all: Php 2:9. Cf. Mt 1:21; Jn 17:11; Acts 4:12; Eph 1:21; Neh 9:5; Ps 148:13..
Service of: Jn 12:26. Cf. Mt 4:10 & Lk 4:8 = Dt 6:13.
Witness to: Acts 1:8. Cf. Is. 43:10, 12.
Worship of: Mt 14:33; 28:9,17; Lk 24:52; Jn 9:38; 20:28; Heb 1:6. Cf. Dt 6:13 = Mt 4:10 & Lk 4:8; Ac 10:25-26; Rev 19:10.

See also the `tagline' quotes below.

PS: The JW named Charlie who I mentioned above, and who I had been praying for, returned today (November 12, 2007) with another JW named Ron (or Rod), who seemed higher in the `pecking order' than Charlie and said he had been a JW 40 years, although both told me they were elders. I had started preparing a pamphlet (which will be A4, landscape, folded in 3, front and back) to give to Charlie or any other JWs who came knocking at my door, titled "Jesus is Jehovah!: In the New World Translation". All I had to date was (hyperlinks to NWT here added):

The First and the Last. Jesus is "the First and the Last" (Rev 1:17-18; 2:8; 22:12-13,16). Yet Jehovah is "the first and ... the last" (Isa 44:6).

The Alpha and the Omega. Jesus is "the Alpha and the Omega" (Rev 22:12-13, 16, 20). Yet Jehovah is "the Alpha and the Omega" (Rev 1:8; 21:6).

To cut a long story short, they were unable to explain how both Jesus and Jehovah could be "the First and the Last," and "the Alpha and the Omega," and yet Jesus not be Jehovah. They tried to get me off onto several tangents, but I kept bringing them back to these verses in their own Bible. I even offered for them to conduct their study for prospective new members in my home and told them that I would become a Jehovah's Witness if they could make their case, but they refused! I still felt that Charlie was less certain than Ron/Rod, so in parting I told them that if either of them ever had problems with Jehovah's Witnessism to come to my house at any time of the day or night and I would, in strictest confidence help them leave the Watchtower and become a Christian. The Lord seems to have given me a burden for Charlie, so I will still keep praying for him.

Stephen E. Jones, BSc. (Biology).
My other blogs: Jesus is Jehovah! & TheShroudofTurin

"Jesus Is Yahweh ... A comparison of the Old and New Testaments provides powerful testimony to Jesus' identity as Yahweh. Support for this is found, for example, in Christ's crucifixion. In Zechariah 12:10 Yahweh is speaking prophetically: `They will look on me, the one they have pierced.' Though Yahweh is speaking, this is obviously a reference to Christ's future crucifixion. We know that `the one they have pierced' is Jesus, for He is described this same way by the apostle John in Revelation 1:7. ... The Septuagint provides us with additional insights on Christ's identity as Yahweh. The Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament that dates prior to the birth of Christ. It renders the Hebrew phrase for `I AM' (God's name) in Exodus 3:14 as ego eimi. On a number of occasions in the Greek New Testament, Jesus used this term as a way of identifying Himself as God. For example, in John 8:24 (NASB) Jesus declared, `Unless you believe that I am [I AM or ego eimi] He, you shall die in your sins.' The original Greek text for this verse does not have the word he. The verse is literally, `If you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins.' Then, according to verse 28, Jesus told the Jews, `When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am [I AM, or ego eimi] He.' Again, the original Greek text reads, `When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I AM' (there is no he). Jesus purposely used the phrase as a means of pointing to His identity as Yahweh. It is also highly revealing that Old Testament passages about Yahweh were directly applied to Jesus in the New Testament. For instance, Isaiah 40:3 says: `In the desert prepare the way for the LORD [Yahweh]; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God [Elohim].' Mark's Gospel tells us that Isaiah's words were fulfilled in the ministry of John the Baptist preparing the way for Jesus Christ (Mark 1:2-4). Still another illustration is Isaiah 6:1-5, where the prophet recounts his vision of Yahweh `seated on a throne, high and exalted' (verse 1). He said, `Holy, holy, holy is the LORD [Yahweh] Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory' (verse 3). Isaiah also quotes Yahweh as saying: `I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another' (42:8). Later, the apostle John-under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit-wrote that Isaiah `saw Jesus' glory' (John 12:41). Yahweh's glory and Jesus' glory are equated." (Rhodes, R., "Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah's Witnesses," [1993], Harvest House: Eugene OR, Reprinted, 2006, pp.62-64. Emphasis & parentheses original).

"Jesus as Jehovah The amount of material in the Bible supporting the teaching that Jesus Christ is Jehovah God is actually quite staggering. Here we can summarize only some of the remaining highlights. Mention has already been made of Philippians 2:9-11, which says that Jesus has been given `the name which is above every name,' the name Lord, or Jehovah. Even clearer is Romans 10:9-13. Here we are told to confess Jesus as Lord (vv. 9-10), confident that no one trusting in him, that is, in Jesus, the rock over which the Jews stumbled, will be disappointed (v. 11; cf. 9:33), because he is Lord for both Jew and Greek, rich to all who call upon him for salvation (v. 12). Then verse 13 concludes that whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. In context, this must be Jesus, because he is the Lord on whom all must call to be saved, as verses 9-12 have said; but the NWT translates `Lord' here as `Jehovah,' because it is a quote from Joel 2:32, where the original Hebrew has the divine name! Thus Jesus is here identified as Jehovah. Similar is 1 Peter 2:3, which is nearly an exact quotation from Psalm 34:8, where the Lord is Jehovah; but from verses 4-8 it is also clear that the Lord in verse 3 is Jesus. Besides the name Jehovah and the title God, Jesus has other titles belonging exclusively to Jehovah. Jesus is the first and the last (Rev. 1:17; 22:13; cf. Isa. 44:6). He is the King of kings and Lord of lords (1 Tim. 6:15; Rev. 17:14; 19:16). Used in a spiritual, ultimate sense, Jesus is revealed to be God by his having the titles Savior (Luke 2:11; John 4:42; 1 John 4:14; cf. Isa. 43:11; 45:21-22; 1 Tim. 4:10), Shepherd (John 10:11; Heb. 13:20; cf. Ps. 23:1; Isa. 40:11), and Rock (1 Cor. 10:4; cf. Isa. 44:8). Jesus also receives the honors due to Jehovah God alone. He is to receive the same honor given to the Father (John 5:23). He is to be feared (Eph. 5:21), to receive absolute love (Matt. 10:37), and to be the object of the same faith we have in God (John 3:16; 14:1). He receives prayer (John 14:14; Acts 7:59-60 compared with Luke 23:34, 46; Rom. 10:12-13; 1 Cor. 1:2; etc.), worship (Matt. 28:17; Heb. 1:6), and sacred service (Rev. 22:3). Jesus also possesses the unique characteristics, or attributes, of God. He is exactly like God, the very image of his Father (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3). All the fullness of God's nature dwells in Christ in bodily form (Col. 2:9). In another book the JWs make this interesting comment on Colossians 2:9: `Being truly `divinity,' or of `divine nature,' does not make Jesus as the Son of God coequal and coeternal with the Father, any more than the fact that all humans share `humanity' or `human nature' makes them coequal or all the same age.' Of course people who share human nature are not the same age, but that is in keeping with the fact that all human beings have a beginning. But the point is that just as a human son is just as `human' as his father, so Jesus Christ, who is said in Colossians 2:9 to be fully `divine,' is therefore no less divine than his Father. The Bible also names specific attributes unique to God that are possessed by Christ. He is self-existent (John 5:26); unchanging (Heb. 1:10-12; 13:8); eternal (John 1:1-2; 8:58; 17:5; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:2, 12), omnipresent, an attribute that JWs deny even to God (Matt 18:20; 28:20; Eph. 1:23; 4:10; Col. 3:11); and beyond human comprehension (Matt. 11:25-27). This last point bears emphasizing. The biblical teaching that Jesus Christ is Jehovah, the Lord of all, God in the flesh, is found throughout the New Testament. Yet it remains hidden from those who seek God on their own terms, who demand that he be comprehensible to them. No one can know that Jesus Christ is the Lord Jehovah apart from the revelation of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:3)." (Bowman, R.M., "Why You Should Believe in the Trinity: An Answer to Jehovah's Witnesses," [1989], Baker: Grand Rapids MI, Third printing, 1990, pp.108-110).

"JESUS' IDENTITY WITH YAHWEH/JEHOVAH The NT attributes to Jesus many of the perfections of Yahweh (or, Jehovah), the creator/redeemer God of the OT. There are seven main points of identity. God's name When the OT was translated into Greek in the 2nd and 3rd centuries BC (the Septuagint), the sacred name of God, YHWH, usually rendered Yahweh or Jehovah, was translated by the Greek word Kyrios (Lord); there are approaching 7,000 instances of this. This sacred and exalted title was attributed directly to Jesus (Rom. 10:9; 1 Cor. 12:3; Phil. 2:11; etc., cf. also Lord of lords, 1 Tim. 6:15; Rev. 17:14; 19:16). Indeed the confession Jesus is Lord is probably the earliest confession of faith (Rom. 10:9; 1 Cor. 12:3; 2 Cor. 4:5). On several occasions NT writers apply OT passages concerning Yahweh directly to Jesus (Acts 2:34f.; Rom. 8:34; Heb. 10:12f.; 1 Pet. 3:22 apply Ps. 110:1. Rom. 10:13 applies Joel 2:32. Phil. 2:9-11 applies Is. 45:23. Jn. 12:41 applies Is. 6:10. Eph. 4:8 applies Ps. 68:18). These passages clearly identify Jesus with Yahweh. Another link is provided by self-designations of God appropriated by Jesus or referred to him. Supremely significant is the I AM (Ex. 3:14; cf. Jn. 8:58; 6:35; 8:12,24; 11:25; 14:6; 18:5f.; Mk. 14:62). Others are bridegroom (Is. 62:5; Je. 2:2; Ezk. 16:8; cf. Mk. 2:19f.; Jn. 3:29; 2 Cor. 11:2; Rev. 19:7); shepherd (Pss. 23:1; 80:1; Is. 40:11; Ezk. 34:15; cf. Jn. 10:11-16; Heb. 13:10; 1 Pet. 2:25; 5:4); the first and the last (Is. 44:6; 48:12; cf. Rev. 2:8; 22:13). God's glory God's glory is the visible manifestation of his majesty (Ex. 24:15-18; 40:34f.; Lv. 9:6,23f.; 2 Ch. 7:1-3; Is. 6:1-4; Ezk. 1:28). In Judaism it served as a reverential substitute for the sacred name itself. God's glory is incommunicable (Is. 42:8; 48:11), yet the NT speaks of Isaiah 6:1f. as the manifestation of Jesus' glory (Jn. 12:41), and of Jesus as the manifestation of the glory of God (1 Cor. 2:8; 2 Cor. 4:4; Heb. 1:3; Jas. 2:1; cf. Jn. 17:5). God's worship To offer worship to any other being than the LORD God (Yahweh) was for the Jew unthinkably offensive, the most fundamental of all sins (Ex. 20:3-6; Dt. 6:4f.,13-15). Yet the earliest disciples, Jews to a man, directed worship to Jesus. It is this fact which, despite their comparative infrequency, makes the NT ascriptions of deity to Christ so overwhelmingly impressive. Doxologies are ascribed to Christ (Rom. 9:5; 2 Tim. 4:18; 2 Pet. 3:18; Rev. 1:5f.); two are addressed to both Father and Son (Rev. 5:13; 7:10). Prayers are addressed to Christ (Acts 7:59f.; 9:13f.; 1 Cor. 16:22; Rev. 22:20). OT worship passages are transferred from Yahweh to Christ (Is. 8:13f. in Rom. 9:33; 1 Pet. 2:7f.; 3:15; the Septuagint version of Dt. 32:43 in Heb. 1:6). Worship is used in connection with Christ: in the Septuagint the common translation of shalah (worship, bow down) is proskyneia. In Jesus' teaching it describes the attitude we should adopt to God alone (Mt. 4:10). The evangelists, however, use the word to describe people's attitude to Jesus (Mt. 2:2,8,11; 14:33; Mk. 5:6; Jn. 9:38). Hence the reaction of the disciples to the risen Christ is typical: `they worshipped him' (Mt. 28:17; Lk. 24:52), a response echoed by the angelic company of heaven: `Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive ... honour and glory and praise!' (Rev. 5:12), an unambiguous assertion of deity. God's creation That Yahweh created all things and is therefore Lord of all was axiomatic for OT faith (Gn. 1:1f.; Pss. 33:6-9; 148:5f.; Is. 42:5; 48:13; 51:9-16). Yet the NT freely applies this divine function to Jesus. ... Through him all things came to be (Jn. 1:1,3; Heb. 1:3; cf. Col. 1:16; 1 Jn. 1:1); he is the sustainer and upholder of all things (Mt. 28:18; 1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3); he is the one in whom the universe is destined to be brought to its goal (Rom. 11:36; Eph. 1:9f.; Col. 1:16); and the `new creation' is nothing other than the realization of the purpose of God in Jesus Christ (Is. 65:17; 66:22 ... cf. Jn. 3:5; 20:22; 2 Cor. 5:17; Phil. 3:20; Col. 3:10; 2 Pet. 3; Rev. 21-22).God's salvation Yahweh is a saviour God, another bedrock of OT conviction. In contrast with other gods, he alone has power to save: `I, even I am the LORD, and apart from me there is no saviour' (Is. 43:11; cf. 45:21; Je. 3:23; 11:12). His deliverance came frequently by way of human `saviours' (Jos. 10:6; Jdg. 2:16,18; 6:14f.), but the forgiving of sins and the raising from death to eternal life are prerogatives of God alone. Yet the NT attributes these to Jesus. At birth he was hailed as the one who `will save his people from their sins' (Mt. 1:21). He claimed the power to grant forgiveness (Mk. 2:7-10; Lk. 7:48) and is seen as the saviour of sinners (Jn. 3:17; Acts 4:12; 5:31; 15:11; Gal. 1:4; Eph. 5:23; Heb. 7:25; Rev. 1:5). He raised the dead (Mk. 5:35-43; Lk. 7:11-17,22; Jn. 11) and through him eternal life is given now to all who believe in him (Mk. 10:21; Jn. 3:16; 5:24; 1 Jn. 5:11f.) and will be fully experienced by them in the future (Mk. 10:30; 1 Cor. 15:22f.,54; 1 Thes. 1:10; 2 Tim. 1:10). God's judgment For the OT Yahweh alone is judge. His holiness and majesty are essentially expressed in his righteous judgments (Dt. 32:4; Ps. 99; Is. 5:16). Certain forms of divine judgment were realized through human agents (Dt. 1:16f.; Is. 10:5; 45:1), but final judgment was God's prerogative (Dn. 7:9f.; Ec. 12:14; Joel 2:31). Once again these uniquely divine functions are both claimed by Jesus and freely attributed to him (Mt. 25:31-46; Mk. 8:38; Jn. 5:22-30; Acts 17:31; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Thes. 1:7-10; Rev. 14:14-20). At the Last Day Jesus will submit `the secrets of men' (Rom. 2:16) to definitive, divine judgment. God's witness One final link between Jesus and Yahweh may be noted. In the OT God commissions his people ` "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD' (Is. 43:10); yet in Acts 1:8 Jesus sends out his apostles with identical words `You will be my witnesses'." (Milne, B., "Know the Truth: A Handbook of Christian Belief," [1982], Inter-Varsity Press: Leicester UK, Fifth printing, 1988, pp.129-132. Emphasis original).

"The doctrine of the deity of Christ is crucial to the Christian faith. `What think you of Christ?' is the paramount question of life (cf. Matt. 16:15; 22:42). Surely Jesus Christ is the greatest of all men, but he is infinitely more than mere man. It can be demonstrated that he is God in several ways.... His identification with the Old Testament Jehovah. Things that are in the Old Testament said of Jehovah are in the New Testament said of Christ. He was the creator (Ps. 102:24-27; Heb. 1:10-12), was seen by Isaiah (Isa. 6:1-4; John 12:41), was to be preceded by a forerunner (Isa. 40:3; Matt. 3:3), disciplines his people (Num. 21:6f.; 1 Cor. 10:9), is to be regarded as holy (Isa. 8:13; 1 Pet. 3:15), is to lead captivity captive (Ps. 68:18; Eph. 4:8), and is to be the object of faith (Joel 2:32; Rom. 10:9, 13)." (Thiessen, H.C. & Doerksen, V.D., "Lectures in Systematic Theology," [1949], Eerdmans: Grand Rapids MI, Revised, 1977, pp.92-93. My emphasis).

"Jesus Is Jahweh Not only is Jesus called God in the New Testament but he is called Lord in quotations from the Old Testament where the Old Testament word is Jahweh. In the prophecy of Zacharias (Luke 1:76) it is said of John the Baptist, `And thou, child, shalt be called Prophet of the Most High; thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways.' It is obvious that Luke understood this prophecy as referring to John as the forerunner of Jesus. But Zacharias was alluding to Malachi 3:1 in which the word `the Lord' is Jahweh. `Behold I will send my messenger and he shall prepare the way before me, saith Jahweh of hosts:' Thus `the Lord,' whose ways John was to prepare, is none other than Jahweh Himself. Paul gives great emphasis to the prophecy of Joel. `Whosoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved' (Rom. 10:13). It is clear in the context that Paul is calling Christ `the Lord,' but in Joel 2:32, in the phrase, `Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be delivered,' `the Lord' in the Hebrew text is Jahweh. In the Romans 14:10 reference to the judgment of the saints, Paul adds a quotation from Isaiah 45:23. `As I live saith the Lord, every knee will bow to me and every tongue will confess to God:' That Jahweh is the speaker in Isaiah's words is evident from verses 24 and 25. These passages indicate that Christ and God and Jahweh are one." (Buswell, J.O., Jr., "A Systematic Theology of the Christian Religion," [1962], Zondervan: Grand Rapids MI, Vol. I, 1968, Second printing, pp.104-105. Emphasis original).

"Jesus Claimed to Be Yahweh. Yahweh (YHWH; sometimes appearing in English translations as `Jehovah' or in small capital letters as `LORD') is the special name given by God for himself in the Old Testament. It is the name revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14, when God said, `I AM WHO I AM.' Other titles for God may be used of humans, such as Adonai ('Lord') in Gen. 18:12, or false gods, such as elohim ('gods') in Deut. 6:14. Yahweh, however, only refers to the one true God. No other person or thing was to be worshiped or served (Exod. 20:5), and his name and glory were not to be given to another. Isaiah wrote, `This is what the LORD says.... I am the first, and I am the last; apart from me there is no God' (Isa. 44:6) and, `I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another, or my praise to idols' (42:8). Jesus claimed to be Yahweh. He prayed, `And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was' (John 17:5). But Yahweh of the Old Testament said, `my glory will I not give to another' (Isa. 42:8). Jesus also declared, `I am the first and the last' (Rev. 1:17)- precisely the words used by Jehovah in Isaiah 42:8 [Isa 44:6]. He said, `I am the good shepherd' (John 10:11), but the Old Testament said, `Yahweh is my shepherd' (Ps. 23:1). Further, Jesus claimed to be the judge of all people (Matt. 25:31f.; John 5:27f.), but Joel quotes Jehovah as saying, `for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side' (Joel 3:12). Likewise, Jesus spoke of himself as the `bridegroom' (Matt. 25:1) while the Old Testament identifies Jehovah in this way (Isa. 62:5; Hos. 2:16). While the Psalmist declares, `The LORD is my light' (Ps. 27:1), Jesus said, `I am the light of the world' (John 8:12). Perhaps the strongest claim Jesus made to be Yahweh is in John 8:58, where he says, `Before Abraham was, I am.' This statement claims not only existence before Abraham, but equality with the `I AM' of Exodus 3:14. The Jews around him clearly understood his meaning and picked up stones to kill him for blaspheming (cf. John 8:58 and 10:31-33). The same claim is made in Mark 14:62 and John 18:5-6." (Geisler, N.L., "Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," Baker Books: Grand Rapids MI, 1999, p.129. Emphasis original).

"Statements which in the Old Testament are made distinctly of Jehovah, God, [are] taken in the New Testament to refer to Jesus Christ. (1) Ps. 102:24-27-`I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations. Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.' In Heb. 1:10-12-`And thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Thy hands. They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment. And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail'- this statement is interpreted as referring to JESUS CHRIST. (2) Is. 40:3, 4-`The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Jehovah), make straight in the desert the highway for our God. Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain.' In Matt. 3:3; Luke 1:68, 69, 76-`Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people. And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David. And thou, child shall be called the prophet of the highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways'- JESUS is the Lord before whose face the messenger goes. (3) Jer. 11:20 - 'But, O LORD of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I revealed my cause.' Jer. 17:10 - 'I, the LORD, search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.' In Rev. 2:23-`And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works'-it is JESUS who does what is distinctly said of Jehovah in the Old Testament passage. (4) Is. 60:19 - 'The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.' (See also Zech. 2:5.) This is said of Jesus in Luke 2:32 - 'A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.' (5) Is. 6:1, 3, 10 - 'In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. And one cried unto another and said, Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert and be healed.' (Compare Jno. 12:37-41 - 'But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him. That the Saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias when he saw his glory, and spake of him.') In the Old Testament passage it was when he saw the glory of Jehovah of hosts that Isaiah spoke these things, but in the New Testament John says it was when Isaiah saw the glory of JESUS CHRIST that he said this. The inference is simple. (6) Is. 8:13, 14 - 'Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself: and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offense to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.' (Compare 1 Pet. 2:7, 8 - 'Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.') In the Old Testament Jehovah is the stone of stumbling, etc. In the New Testament it is JESUS CHRIST. (7) Is. 8:12, 13 - 'Say ye not, a confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, a confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the LORD of hosts Himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.' (Compare 1 Pet. 3:14 - 'But and if ye should suffer for righteousness' sake, blessed are ye: and fear not their fear neither be troubled; but sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord: being ready always to give answer to every man that asketh you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with meekness and fear.') (8) Num. 21:6, 7 - 'And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us, and Moses prayed for the people.' (Compare 1 Cor. 10:9 - 'Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.') (9) Ps. 23:1 - 'The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.' Is. 40:10, 11 - 'Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.' (Compare Jno. 10:11 - 'I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.') In the Old Testament Jehovah is the good shepherd; in the New Testament JESUS. (10) Ezek. 34:11, 12, 18 - 'For thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pasture? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? ` (Compare Luke 19:10 - 'For the Son of Man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.') In the O. T. Jehovah, in the N. T. JESUS `seeks and saves the lost." (Torrey, R. A., "What the Bible Teaches: A Thorough and Comprehensive Study of What the Bible Has to Say Concerning the Great Doctrines of Which it Treats," [1957], Oliphants: London, Third impression, 1963, pp.77-80. Emphasis original).

"In the New Testament, there are passages in which what is said in the Old Testament concerning Jehovah is applied to Jesus Christ. Compare Numbers 14:2; 21:5, 6; Ps. 95:9, with 1 Cor. 10:9. Here the tempting of Jehovah is the tempting of Christ. ... In Heb. 1:10, 11, what is attributed to Jehovah in Ps. 102:26, is attributed to Christ. In John 12:40, 41, it is asserted that the language of Isaiah (6:9, 10) concerning Jehovah refers to Jesus Christ. Isa. 45:23, compared with Rom. 14:10, 11 ... shows that the judgment-seat of God is the judgment-seat of Christ. ... Joel 2:32 compared with Rom. 10:13, proves that the name of Jehovah is the name of Christ. In Eph. 4:8, 9, Christ gives the gifts that in Ps. 68:18 are given by Jehovah." (Shedd, W.G.T., "Dogmatic Theology," [1888], Zondervan: Grand Rapids MI, Reprinted, 1969, Vol. I, p.315).

"Old Testament descriptions of God are applied to him. This application to Christ of titles and names exclusively appropriated to God is inexplicable, if Christ was not regarded as being himself God. The peculiar awe with which the term 'Jehovah' was set apart by a nation of strenuous monotheists as the sacred and incommunicable name of the one self-existent and covenant-keeping God forbids the belief that the Scripture writers could have used it as the designation of a subordinate and created being. Mat. 3:3 = `Make ye ready the way of the Lord'-is a quotation from Is. 40:3 = `Prepare ye ... the way of Jehovah.' John 12:41 = `These things said Isaiah, because he saw his glory; and he spake of him' [i. e., Christ] - refers to Is. 6:1 - `In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne;' So in Eph. 4:7, 8 - `measure of the gift of Christ ... led captivity captive `-is an application to Christ of what is said of Jehovah in Ps. 68:18. In 1 Pet. 3:15, moreover, we read ... `sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord'; here the apostle borrows his language from Is. 8:13, where we read: `Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify.' When we remember that, with the Jews, God's covenant-title was so sacred that for ... Jehovah there was always substituted ... Adonai, in order to avoid pronunciation of the great Name, it seems the more remarkable that the Greek equivalent of `Jehovah' should have been so constantly used of Christ. Cf. Rom. 10:9 = `confess ... Jesus as Lord'; 1 Cor. 12:3 = `no man can say, Jesus is Lord, but in the Holy Spirit' We must remember also the indignation of the Jews at Christ's assertion of his equality and oneness with the Father. [Jn 10:30-33] .... Yet James, the strongest of Hebrews, in his Epistle uses the word `Lord' freely and alternately of God the Father [Jas 1:7; 3:9; 4:10,15; 5:4,10-11,14-15] and of Christ the Son [Jas 1:1; 2:1; 5:7-8]. This would have been impossible if James had not believed in the community of essence between the Son and the Father." (Strong, A.H., "Systematic Theology," [1907], Judson Press: Valley Forge PA, Twenty-fifth printing, 1967, p.309).

"Divinity of Christ in Old Testament. ... The Messianic predictions of the Old Testament have formed the subject by themselves, of large volumes; I can, therefore, do little more than enumerate the most conclusive of them as to His divinity, giving the preference, of course, to those of them which are interpreted of, and applied to, Jesus Christ, by the infallible exposition of the New Testament. Compare, then, Num. xiv:22, and xxi:5, 6, and Ps. xcv:9, with I Cor. x:9. The tempting of the Lord of the Old Testament, is described by Paul as tempting Christ; in consequence of which they were destroyed of serpents. Ps. cii:26, ascribes to God an immutable eternity; but Heb. i:10, 11, applies it to Jesus Christ. In Is. vi, the prophet sees a vision of Jehovah, surrounded with every circumstance of divine majesty. But Jno. xii:41, explains: `These things said Esaias, when he saw His glory, and spake of Him.' Is. xlv:22, 23; Jehovah says: 'Look unto me, and be ye saved, all ye ends of the earth;' but Rom. xiv:11, and I Cor. i:30, evidently apply the context to Jesus Christ. Thus, also, compare Ps. lxviii:18, with Eph. iv:8, 9; Joel ii:32, with Rom. x:13; Is. vii:14, with Matt, i:22, 23; Micah. v:2, with Matt. ii:6, and Mal. iii:1, with Mark i:2, and Luke i:76. The last three pairs of references contain a proof peculiarly striking. In Is. vii:14, the child born of a virgin is to be named `God with us.' In Matt. i:22, 23, a child, Jesus Christ, is born of a virgin, and receives, by divine injunction, through the mouth of an angel, the name `God with us;' because He was conceived of the Holy Ghost, and was to save His people from their sins. In Micah. v:2, Bethlehem is destined to the honor of bringing forth the Ruler whose attribute was eternity; in Matt. ii:6, it is declared that this prediction is fulfilled by the appearance of Jesus Christ. In Mal, iii:1, the Angel of the Covenant is foretold. He is identified with Jesus Christ by his forerunner, John, who is expressly declared to be the person here predicted, by Luke i:76. But that this Angel is divine, is clear from his propriety in the temple (his temple) which is God's house, and from the divine functions of judge and heart-Searcher, which He there exercises. In Ps. cx:1, David calls the Messiah 'adonai though his descendant according to the flesh. In Matt. xxii:45, Christ Himself applies this to the Messiah ('What think ye of Christ? Whose Son is He?') and challenges them (in substance) to account for it without granting His divinity. And this 110th Psalm, then proceeds to ascribe to this Being eternity of priesthood, (v. 4,) as expounded in Heb. vii:3, as having ` neither beginning of days, nor end of life,' supreme authority, and judgment over mankind. The Ps. ii, describes God as setting His King upon His holy hill of Zion: who is declared to be His eternal Son, (v. 7,) the Ruler of the whole earth, (v. 8,) the sovereign avenger of His opponents, (v. 9,) and the appointed object of religious trust. Surely these are divine attributes. Compare Jer. xvii:5. But Acts iv:25-28, attribute the whole prediction to Jesus Christ. So Ps. xlv:6, calls the king God, 'elohiym and attributes to Him an everlasting throne. But Heb. i:8, applies these words to the Son, afterwards defined to be Jesus Christ. So let the student compare for himself, (for time will fail me to go into explanation of every text,) Zech. xii:10, with John xix:37, Is. lxi:1;(Speaker calls Himself I, the LORD, v. 8,) with Luke iv:18-21. Examine, also, Is. iv:2; ix:5, 6, 7; xi:4, 10; Ps. lxxii:17, 5; Dan. vii:13, 14. Zech. chap. xiii:7, compared with xi:13; xii:10; Jer. xxiii:5, 6. Ps. xcvii:7, with Heb. i:6." (Dabney, R.L., "Systematic Theology," [1871], Banner of Truth: Edinburgh, Second edition, 1878, Reprinted, 1985, pp.185-186. Emphasis original. My transliteration of Heb. and Gk. words).

"Although Jehovah's Witnesses seek to differentiate sharply between Jehovah God and Jesus his creature, it is a remarkable fact that occasionally writers in the New Testament apply to Jesus Christ passages from the Old Testament which refer to Jehovah. ... (a) Isaiah promises that `Jehovah will be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory' (60:19). Luke applies this to Jesus, quoting it in the form, `A light for revelation to the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel' (2:32). (b) Isaiah's vision in the Temple (6:1, 3, 10) was of Jehovah. In the Gospel of John, however, it is said that Isaiah saw the glory of Jesus Christ and spoke of him (12:37-41, see especially verse 41). (c) In Psalm 28:1 and Isaiah 40:10-11, Jehovah is said to be our shepherd. In John 10:11 Jesus, with obvious reference to the Old Testament passages, claims to be the good shepherd. (d) Paul quotes the promise in Joel, `Whosoever shall call upon the name of Jehovah shall be delivered' (2:32), and refers it to Jesus: `If thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved ... for, whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Rom. 10:9, 13)." (Metzger, B.M., "The Jehovah's Witnesses and Jesus Christ," Reprint of article in Theology Today, April, 1953, pp.65-85, Princeton Theological Seminary: Princeton NJ, 1953, pp.73-74).

"JESUS, THE CHRIST. ... DIVINITY OF: As Jehovah, Isa. 40:3, with Matt. 3:3; Jehovah of glory, Psa. 24:7,10, with 1 Cor. 2:8; Jas. 2:1; Jehovah our righteousness, Jer. 23:5,6, with 1 Cor. 1:30; Jehovah above all, Psa. 97:9, with John 3:31; Jehovah the first and the last, Isa. 44:6, with Rev. 1:17; Isa. 48:12-16, with Rev. 22:13; Jehovah's fellow and equal, Zech. 13:7; Phil, 2:6; Jehovah of hosts, Isa. 6:1-3, with John 12:41; Isa. 8:13,14, with 1 Pet. 2:8; Jehovah, Psa. 110:1, with Matt. 22:42-45; Jehovah the shepherd, Isa. 40:10,11; Heb. 13:20; Jehovah, for whose glory all things were created, Prov. 16:4, with Col. 1:16; Jehovah the messenger of the covenant, Mal. 3:1, with Luke 7:27. Invoked as Jehovah, Joel 2:32, with 1 Cor. 1:2; as the eternal God and Creator, Psa. 102:24-27, with Heb. 1:8,10-12; the mighty God, Isa. 9:6; the great God and Saviour, Hos. 13:4, with Tit. 2:13; God over all, Rom. 9:5; God the Judge, Eccl. 12:14, with 1 Cor. 4:5; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1; Emmanuel, Isa. 7:14, with Matt. 1:23; King of kings and Lord of lords, Deut. 10:17, with Rev. 1:5; 17:14; the Holy One, 1 Sam. 2:2, with Acts 3:14; the Lord from heaven, 1 Cor. 15:47; Lord of the Sabbath, Gen. 2:3, with Matt. 12:8; Lord of all, Acts 10:36; Rom. 10:11-13; Son of God, Matt. 26:63-67; the only begotten Son of the Father, John 1:14, 18; 3:16,18; 1 John 4:9. His blood is called the blood of God, Acts 20:28. One with the Father, John 10:30,38; 12:45; 14:7-10; 17:10. As sending the Spirit equally with the Father, John 14:16, with John 15:26. As unsearchable equally with the Father, Prov. 30:4; Matt. 11:27. As Creator of all things, Isa. 40:28; John 1:3; Col. 1:16; supporter and preserver of all things, Neh. 9:6, with Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3." (Nave, O.J., ed., "Nave's Topical Bible: A Digest of the Holy Scriptures," [1897], Moody Press: Chicago IL, Reprinted, 1969, p.665. Emphasis original. Typos corrected).


Anonymous said...

On Ego eimi, be careful. When the man born blind, who now can see, is asked whether he is the same man that used to sit begging, he replies "Ego eimi." I don't think he is claiming God's name as his own or that the evangelist means to suggest that. The phrase seems to be used as the ordinary way of saying, "That's me," "I'm the guy you're looking for."


Stephen E. Jones said...


>On Ego eimi, be careful. When the man born blind, who now can see, is asked whether he is the same man that used to sit begging, he replies "Ego eimi." I don't think he is claiming God's name as his own or that the evangelist means to suggest that. The phrase seems to be used as the ordinary way of saying, "That's me," "I'm the guy you're looking for."

Thanks for your comment.

However, if you are referring to the "man blind from birth" in Jn 9, he answers a question,"Isn't this the same man who used to sit and beg?" with "I am the man.":

John 9:8-9 "His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, `Isn't this the same man who used to sit and beg?' Some claimed that he was. Others said, `No, he only looks like him.' But he himself insisted, `I am the man.' "

This is nothing like the situation where Jesus stated:

"... unless you believe that I am [no He], you will die in your sins." (Jn 8:24. NASB)


"Jesus said to them, `Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'" (Jn 8:58. NASB).

In the latter case, the Jews recognised Jesus was claiming to be Jehovah (by using the "I AM" of Ex 3:14 of Himself) and they attempted to stone Him for blasphemy:

[Jn 8:]59 "Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple."

My NIV Study Bible comments:

"[Jn ]8:24 believe. See note on 1:7. I am. Jesus echoes God's great affirmation about himself (see v. 58; see also notes on 6:35; Ex 3:14)." (Barker, K., ed., "The NIV Study Bible," Zondervan: Grand Rapids MI, 1985, p.1612)

"[Jn ]8:58 I am! solemnly emphatic declaration echoing God's great affirmation in Ex 3:14 (see vv. 24,28; see also note on 6:35). Jesus did not say `I was' but `I am,' expressing the eternity of his being and his oneness with the Father (see 1:1). With this climactic statement Jesus concludes his speech that began with the related claim, `I am the light of the world' (v. 12). 8:59 to stone him. The Jews could not interpret Jesus' claim as other than blasphemy, for which stoning was the proper penalty (Lev 24:16)." (Barker, 1985, p.1614).

Stephen E. Jones

Anonymous said...

Here's some basic logic from Revelation I've used with JWs before:

Jehovah: Alpha and Omega

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Jesus: first and last

And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this:

Jehovah: Alpha and Omega, beginning and end (see chapter four for the identity of "He who sits on the throne")
21:5,6 (especially 6)

5 And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new " And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and

6 Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.

Jesus: Alpha and Omega, first and last, beginning and end
22:12-16 (especially 13)

12 "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the
city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who
loves and practices falsehood.

16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

1) Jehovah is Alpha and Omega, beginning and end;

2) Jesus is Alpha and Omega, beginning and end, first and last

3) Therefore, Jesus is Jehovah.

Stephen E. Jones said...


Thanks for your comment.

But I think the "Alpha and Omega" part, while true, would be difficult to use in a discussion with a Jehovah's Witness (so-called), that the Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Jesus of the New Testament.

That is because the phrase "Alpha and Omega" does not appear in the Old Testament because they are Greek letters.

And therefore the Jehovah of the Old Testament cannot have used those words of Himself, even though they are true.

But in the Old Testament Jehovah does say of Himself, "I am the first, and I am the last" (quoting from the ASV):

Isa 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I, Jehovah, the first, and with the last, I am he."

Isa 44:6 "Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God."

Isa 48:12,17 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob, and Israel my called: I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. ... Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel."

And in the New Testament, the risen Jesus says of Himself, "I am the first and the last":

Rev 1:17-18 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as one dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying, Fear not; I am the first and the last, and the Living one; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades."

Rev 2:8 "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These things saith the first and the last, who was dead, and lived again:"

Rev 22:13,16 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. ... I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things for the churches."

Therefore, once again, it can be seen from the Bible that Jesus is Jehovah! And therefore Jehovah's Witnesses (so-called) are not!

So I will tomorrow update my above blog post with:

First and Last: Rev 1:17-18; 2:8; 22:13,16. Cf. Isa 41:4; 44:6; 48:12,17.

Thanks again.

Stephen E. Jones

Anonymous said...

Not to nitpick, but... :)

Here is the JW translation of 1:8 (from

“I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

As you can see, THEY make the identification for you. Jehovah=Alpha and Omega.

Stephen E. Jones said...


>Here is the JW translation of 1:8 (from
>“I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”
>As you can see, THEY make the identification for you. Jehovah=Alpha and Omega.

Thanks again. That will indeed come in handy when I come to argue with JWs from their own New World Translation (NWT).

But my strategy is to first assemble all the major verses from the ASV that show that Jehovah of the OT is Jesus of the NT.

Only then will I consider what the JWs NWT says of those verses.

However, having said the above, I agree that (ASV):

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

compared with:

Rev 22:12-13,16 "Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to each man according as his work is. ... I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. ... I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things for the churches."

is another argument that the risen Jesus is "the Alpha and the Omega" and therefore is "the Lord God" and therefore is Jehovah.

Stephen E. Jones

Anonymous said...

And how the heck does this deal with Creation/Evolution/Design? Aside from the fact that the idea of trinity evolved centuries after Christs death?

By the way: Have you never wondered why you´re not the one in the door of Jehovahs Witnesses? Jesus said "go and make disciples", not "sit at home in your armchair and write papers for some-one who might knock at your door".

Stephen E. Jones said...


Thanks for your comment.

>And how the heck does this deal with Creation/Evolution/Design?

The "Creation" in "CreationEvolutionDesign" on my blog includes anything to do with the truth of Christianity.

>Aside from the fact that the idea of trinity evolved centuries after Christs death?

That is simply "false". While it is true that the formulation in Greco-Roman philosophical terms of the doctrine of the Trinity was "centuries after Christs death," (in the writings of early theologians Tertullian (c. 155–230; Athanasius c. 293-373; and ratified by the Council of Nicaea 325) the idea of the Trinity is clearly found in the New Testament. For example, the following verses (amongst others) mention (or imply) Father, Son and Holy Spirit (or equivalents) in a context of equal status show that the New Testament Christians were Trinitarians:

"As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, `This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'" (Mt 3:16-17)

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," (Mt 28:19)

"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (2Cor 13:14)

"who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:" (1Pet 1:2)

>By the way: Have you never wondered why you're not the one in the door of Jehovahs Witnesses? Jesus said "go and make disciples", not "sit at home in your armchair and write papers for some-one who might knock at your door".

First, Jesus indeed did command, "go and make disciples," but in the "name" (singular) of the Triune God, "Father ... Son and ... Holy Spirit":

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," (Mt 28:19)

Second, "go and make disciples" and "sit at home in your armchair and write papers for some-one who might knock at your door" are not mutually exclusive. That is, in commanding us to go and make disciples, Jesus did not specify any particular method of doing it. In this Internet age I can reach far more people via my blogs (CED = 102,504 visits and TSoT 1,915 visits) that I could by knocking on doors (which I have done by the way and found to be unproductive and indeed counterproductive). It is ironic that you yourself would never have heard of me and my views if I did not "sit at home in" my "armchair and write papers".

Third, writing a paper at home to give to Jehovah's Witnesses who might knock at my door is a lot more than most Christians (including me until just recently) do for JWs who knock at their door. The JW called Charlie who I promised I would do it for, was most impressed!

Fourth, the most important thing is that they be truly "disciples" of Jesus (who is Jehovah-see my post above) and not of a `Jesus' or a `Jehovah' who are false idols of the Watchtower organization's own creation. The Apostle Paul criticized his fellow Jews who had rejected Jesus as Jehovah, e.g. "the Lord of glory:

"None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory." (1Cor 2:8)

that their zeal for God was worse than worthless because it was "not based on knowledge" of "the righteousness that comes from God" but they "sought to establish their own" ideas about God and "did not submit to God's righteousness":

"For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness." (Rom 10:2-3)

And Paul was in turn echoing Jesus' criticisms of the "Pharisees" that although they travelled "over land and sea to win a single convert" all they did was make him "twice as much a son of hell" as they were:

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are." (Mt 23:15)

So it is with JWs. If the `Jehovah' they believe in, and make converts to, is not Jesus (which it is not) then, as I told Charlie, they are doing worse than doing nothing at all!

Stephen E. Jones

Unknown said...

Are you saying Jesus and Jehovah are the same person, or do you think they are different people?

I love your work, but I don't understand how you could be so smart and still believe in a trinity of persons in God, unless you think of persons more like persona's.

I mean, if Jesus is Jehovah, doesn't that mean there is only one person?

Stephen E. Jones said...


Thanks for your comment.

>Are you saying Jesus and Jehovah are the same person, or do you think they are different people?

Neither. "Jesus is Jehovah" is a shorthand way of saying that Jesus of the New Testament is Jehovah of the Old Testament. That is, Jehovah of the Old Testament took upon Himself a human nature (Php 2:5-7) and became Jesus of the New Testament.

>I love your work, but I don't understand how you could be so smart and still believe in a trinity of persons in God, unless you think of persons more like persona's.

One can split hairs about the meaning of words, like "persons". And admittedly human words are inadequate when attempting to describe the infinite God. The same problem occurs in science when attempting to describe in human words realities which are beyond our direct experience, like those of quantum physics, etc. For decades physics has accepted, on the basis of experimental evidence, the paradox that light is comprised of both particles and waves, even though in our direct human experience particles and waves are mutually exclusive.

Webster's dictionary includes in its definition of "person": "one of the three modes of being in the Trinitarian Godhead as understood by Christians." This is acceptable, as long as "modes of being" is understood as eternally separate and distinct, i.e. the Father is not the Son; and neither the Father nor the Son is the Holy Spirit.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God in essence or substance, albeit in three distinct persons. An imperfect analogy would be if the human race, Man, consisted of only three persons, e.g. Adam, Eve and Cain (Gn 4:1). Then there would be one Man (cf. Gn 1:27 where "God created man ... male and female he created them") or human nature, existing in three distinct persons.

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity, "one God in three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit," is a summary of what the Bible reveals. That is:

1) There is one God (Dt 6:4 = Mk 12:29,32; Gal 3:20; Jas 2:19).

2) There are three revealed in Scripture as God: Father (Dt 32:6; Isa 63:16; 64:8; Mal 2:10; 1Cor 8:6; Eph 4:6, etc); Son (Mt 1:23; Jn 1:1,14; 20:28; Acts 20:28; Rom 9:5; Php 2:5-6, Col 2:9; Tit 2:13; Heb 1:8; 2Pet 1:1; 1Jn 5:20); and Holy Spirit (Mk 3:29 = Lk 12:10; Acts 5:3-4; Heb 3:7-9; 2Pet 1:21).

3) These three are distinct from each other, e.g. the Father speaks to the Son (Mk 1:11 = Lk 3:22; Heb 1:5; 5:5; 2 Pet 1:17); the Son speaks to the Father (Mt 26:39,42; Lk 23:34,46; Jn 17:2); and both the Father (Lk 11:13; Jn 14:26; Acts 2:33) and Son (Jn 15:26; 16:7) send the Holy Spirit.

4) These three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are spoken of together as equals (Mt 28:19; 2Cor 13:14; 1Pet 1:2).

The above is just an outline-there are many more Bible passages that could be cited.

The bottom line is that the Bible clearly contains the elements of the doctrine of the Trinity: one God in three Persons, even though it may be difficult (if not impossible) to fully understand it (cf. 1Tim 3:16; 2Pet 3:15-16).

But of course one can always chose to disbelieve the Trinity (or any Biblical doctrine) in favour of a god constructed from one's own finite human experiences and reasonings (which is why "there are many `gods' and many `lords'" - 1Cor 8:5).

Hope this has helped.

Stephen E. Jones.

S said...

If Jesus is Jehovah, how does redemption take place?

Remember that the physical temple was a model of the spiritual one.

In the physical temple, the high priest offered the sacrifice to Jehovah. In the spiritual temple, Jesus as high priest offers the sacrifice to Jehovah.

Thus if Jesus is Jehovah he can not fulfill the temple and no salvation occur.

Thus your list of scriptures mean nothing.

Stephen E. Jones said...

Voice of Reason

>If Jesus is Jehovah, how does redemption take place?

Thanks for your comment.

>In the spiritual temple, Jesus as high priest offers the sacrifice to Jehovah.

Your fallacy is thinking that if Jesus is Jehovah then the Father cannot be Jehovah.

But see point 6 of "Main reasons why Jehovah's Witnessism is false" on my Jesus is Jehovah! blog:

6. Each person of the Trinity is Jehovah: Father (Isa 63:16), Son (Jn 8:58 NASB) and Holy Spirit (2Cor 3:17). In particular, Jesus is Jehovah: "I AM" (Jn 8:58 NASB. Gk. ego eimi, "I am" - no "he"). But Jehovah is "I AM" (Gk. ego eimi in LXX of Ex 3:14; Isa 41:4; 43:10; 46:4; 52:6; Dt 32:39).

So the short answer is that when Jesus offered Himself as a once for all sacrifice for sin to God through the Holy Spirit (Heb 7:27; 9:14), it was Jehovah the Son, offering Himself to Jehovah the Father through Jehovah the Holy Spirit.

Stephen E. Jones

S said...

"Your fallacy is thinking that if Jesus is Jehovah then the Father cannot be Jehovah."

There is no fallacy. In the tabernacle/temple arrangement - which was a prophesy leading to Christ - The high priest offered a sacrifice to Jehovah. The Christian, spiritual temple must work the same way. Jesus is the high priest and sacrifice as he is the only way it could be a perfect offering, but to fulfill the law, the sacrifice was offered by the high priest to Jehovah God.

Under no temple arrangement does God act as his own high priest. That would defeat the purpose.

"So the short answer is that when Jesus offered Himself as a once for all sacrifice for sin to God through the Holy Spirit (Heb 7:27; 9:14), it was Jehovah the Son, offering Himself to Jehovah the Father through Jehovah the Holy Spirit."

There is no "Jehovah the Son".
That does not exist.

Your point 6 is simply a bung of pet scriptures that you like to pull out.

Here are others.
Psalms 83:18 says Jehovah is Most High God.
"That [men] may know that thou, whose name alone [is] JEHOVAH, [art] the most high over all the earth."

Luke 1:32 "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,"

So Jesus is the son of Jehovah, the Most High.

Luke 1:35
"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee"

The holy spirit or ghost is the power of the most high.

Stephen E. Jones said...

Voice of Reason

>There is no fallacy.

>There is no "Jehovah the Son".

>Your point 6 is simply a bung of pet scriptures that you like to pull out.

As per my stated policy:

Comments ... Since I no longer debate ... any response by me will usually be only once to each individual under that post, and then I will let him/her have the last word.

you have had your last word on this topic.

Stephen E. Jones