tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14510749.post8622481693740154625..comments2023-10-05T00:44:33.255+08:00Comments on CreationEvolutionDesign: PoE: Bibliography "G"Stephen E. Joneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14510749.post-83866298621339400302008-01-27T07:03:00.000+09:002008-01-27T07:03:00.000+09:00Stephen>His views are found consistent with panpsy...Stephen<BR/><BR/>>His views are found consistent with panpsychism, in my view!<BR/><BR/>From time to time I get comments that I regard as merely an attempt by those with a pet topic to use my blog(s) as a vehicle to air their views. That is one reason why under "Policies" I added "Comments … Those I consider off-topic ... will not appear."<BR/><BR/>Following your previous comment about Panpsychism, your attempt here to link Grasse with Panpsychism, when: I did not mention anything about Panpsychism in my post (i.e. in Grasse's quotes); nor is there any logical connection between *Dobzhansky's* (not Grasse's) claim that Grasse regards "evolution is a mystery about which little is, and perhaps can be, known" and your claim that "God cannot be separated from God's creation"; I regard as off-topic and I am only publishing it to let you know that future such attempts by you to use my blog(s)' comments to push your Panpsychist barrow, will not appear.<BR/><BR/>In fact Grasse (in the following quote which I did not include because my post was already too long) Grasse seems to be a Theist (albeit a type of Theistic or Deistic Evolutionist), who regards God as "The Almighty," and separate from His creation ("His own handiwork"), in that He created it by a "single absolute act of creation" and could in principle "intervene" in it supernaturally, but (according to Grasse) "He no longer has to":<BR/><BR/>"Giard (1905), himself a shrewd scholar but blinded by a foolish anticlericalism, went so far as to abjure Lamarckism and write, "To account for the wondrous adaptations such as those we observe between orchids and the insects that fertilize them, we have hardly any choice but the bare alternative hypotheses: the intervention of a sovereignly intelligent being, and selection." ... Giard's concept, which is that held by many atheists and freethinkers, gives a singular and belittling idea of God. The Almighty, obliged to remodel and retouch His own handiwork all the time, is baffled by obstacles His omniscience failed to detect. He is not even a demigod, but a mere pawn, a vague deity designed for crooked-thinking scientists. Nature has its laws. The determinism of the things that flow from first causes suffices to explain the phenomena occurring in the material universe, whether it be made of inert matter or of living things. Let us not invoke God in realities in which He *no longer has to intervene*. The single absolute act of creation was enough for Him." (Grassé, P.-P., "Evolution of Living Organisms: Evidence for a New Theory of Transformation," [1973], Academic Press: New York NY, 1977, pp.165-166. Emphasis original).<BR/><BR/>Stephen E. JonesStephen E. Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16183223752386599799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14510749.post-7428563450331205202008-01-27T02:14:00.000+09:002008-01-27T02:14:00.000+09:00Pierre P. Grasse notes "that evolution is a myster...Pierre P. Grasse notes "that evolution is a mystery about which little is, and perhaps can be, known." It would seem to be the case that in terms of a hypothetical creator God, then Grasse is telling us that God cannot be separated from God's creation; otherwise we could understand evolution as its proposed mechanism once God set up the ground rules. Apparently the ground rules, if there are any, are far more active in our evolution; i.e., God is active. Grasse's views give support to a rejection of dualistic thinking, even if he is not saying much about God in particular. His views are found consistent with panpsychism, in my view!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com